[linux-audio-user] [ANN] No More Specimen

[Pete Bessman]

Ladies and Gents,

I can hack specimen while working full time. And, I can hack specimen
while studying full time. But, and this is empirically verifiable, I
can't hack specimen while both working and studying full time. And my
situation is not likely to change for another year or so.

What this means is that I'm just not cut out to run a project right now,
unless I want to put it into maintenance mode. Really, that's where
specimen has been for the past six months anyway, and I've been doing a
rather piss poor job at that modest role! My efforts are better applied
to tasks where smaller chunks of time can go a greater distance.

I don't have any regrets --- this was my first real programming project,
and I learned a lot. But the truth is that LMMS is more specimen than
specimen right now, and it has an active development and user community
surrounding it. Plus, I've always been a musician and an artist first,
and a programmer second.

All told, it's time to throw in the towel on this one. In a way, this
is a bummer --- I've put a lot of sweat and tears (literally) into this
project over the past couple of years, and it has come an incredible
distance. But I'd be a fool to think that I'm better off keeping it
afloat than making music and contributing to other projects.

And truthfully, it's a huge relief to get this announcement out. A
sense of obligation is what kept me from making it sooner, but in
retrospect, that's pretty ridiculous. Considering that I'm an "open
source, just for fun" guy, and not a "free software, as in freedom"
type, it doesn't make a lot of sense to keep going when pain exceeds
pleasure.

This isn't the end of my open source music development, however. I hope
to help take LMMS to the next level, and contribute to other projects
that will help make Linux a competitor in the music industry. Things
like ardour2, lash, jack-midi, vst, dssi, ladspa et al are the keys to
our future in this regard. And I look forward to getting back to
hardcore hacking in a few years, when I've got my life settled down and
I'm not putting in 80 hours of work and school a week.

Take care everybody, and may the funk be with you.

[Dana Olson]

Post by Pete Bessman
Ladies and Gents,
I can hack specimen while working full time. And, I can hack specimen
while studying full time. But, and this is empirically verifiable, I
can't hack specimen while both working and studying full time. And my
situation is not likely to change for another year or so.
What this means is that I'm just not cut out to run a project right now,
unless I want to put it into maintenance mode. Really, that's where
specimen has been for the past six months anyway, and I've been doing a
rather piss poor job at that modest role! My efforts are better applied
to tasks where smaller chunks of time can go a greater distance.
I don't have any regrets --- this was my first real programming project,
and I learned a lot. But the truth is that LMMS is more specimen than
specimen right now, and it has an active development and user community
surrounding it. Plus, I've always been a musician and an artist first,
and a programmer second.
All told, it's time to throw in the towel on this one. In a way, this
is a bummer --- I've put a lot of sweat and tears (literally) into this
project over the past couple of years, and it has come an incredible
distance. But I'd be a fool to think that I'm better off keeping it
afloat than making music and contributing to other projects.
And truthfully, it's a huge relief to get this announcement out. A
sense of obligation is what kept me from making it sooner, but in
retrospect, that's pretty ridiculous. Considering that I'm an "open
source, just for fun" guy, and not a "free software, as in freedom"
type, it doesn't make a lot of sense to keep going when pain exceeds
pleasure.
This isn't the end of my open source music development, however. I hope
to help take LMMS to the next level, and contribute to other projects
that will help make Linux a competitor in the music industry. Things
like ardour2, lash, jack-midi, vst, dssi, ladspa et al are the keys to
our future in this regard. And I look forward to getting back to
hardcore hacking in a few years, when I've got my life settled down and
I'm not putting in 80 hours of work and school a week.
Take care everybody, and may the funk be with you.
--
Pete Bessman
http://gazuga.net
"So this baby seal walks into a club."

That's awesome that you will help out LMMS. Thanks for your efforts on Specimen.

I listened to your clip in that other thread, and it's pretty cool. I
have been working on some packaging, and while doing this I haven't
worked on a single note of music, so I can understand what you're
talking about. I too am a musician first.

Take care, and good luck with your studies.

Much respect,
Dana

[Florin Andrei]

Post by Pete Bessman
I can hack specimen while working full time. And, I can hack specimen
while studying full time. But, and this is empirically verifiable, I
can't hack specimen while both working and studying full time.

Damn.

Ah well, everyone makes their own choices. Good luck with your present
and future endeavors!

[Marcos Guglielmetti]

Post by Florin Andrei

Post by Pete Bessman
I can hack specimen while working full time. And, I can hack
specimen while studying full time. But, and this is empirically
verifiable, I can't hack specimen while both working and studying
full time.

Damn.
Ah well, everyone makes their own choices. Good luck with your
present and future endeavors!

I think that you did a good job with specimen, I used it many times
--
Marcos Guglielmetti
Coordinador del desarrollo de Musix GNU+Linux
(www.musix.org.ar)
Mirrors: (www.musix.distrux.net) (www.pc-musica.com.ar/musix)
(www.k-maleon.com/musix)




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[Hartmut Noack]

Post by Marcos Guglielmetti
I think that you did a good job with specimen, I used it many times

Yeah, me too! Specimen is just handy it is clean, straight forward and
still has the features needed for serious work with samples. It would be
great, if you could keep it alive at least (no new features but some
bugfixes from time to time and some "porting" to make it run/compile
with recent Distros...

This would raise the chances also, that someone who has the skills take
over the project and thus your work could grow into the future...

[Lee A. Azzarello]

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Post by Marcos Guglielmetti
I think that you did a good job with specimen, I used it many times

Yeah, me too! Specimen is just handy it is clean, straight forward
and
still has the features needed for serious work with samples. It would
be
great, if you could keep it alive at least (no new features but some
bugfixes from time to time and some "porting" to make it run/compile
with recent Distros...
This would raise the chances also, that someone who has the skills
take
over the project and thus your work could grow into the future...

Most definitely. It's still in Debian and has a maintainer[1]. I think it should sit around and wait for someone to take over the source code.

-lee

[1]http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=***@debian.org;dist=stable

[Eric Dantan Rzewnicki]

Post by Lee A. Azzarello

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Post by Marcos Guglielmetti
I think that you did a good job with specimen, I used it many times

Yeah, me too! Specimen is just handy it is clean, straight forward
and
still has the features needed for serious work with samples. It would
be
great, if you could keep it alive at least (no new features but some
bugfixes from time to time and some "porting" to make it run/compile
with recent Distros...
This would raise the chances also, that someone who has the skills
take
over the project and thus your work could grow into the future...

Most definitely. It's still in Debian and has a maintainer[1]. I think
it should sit around and wait for someone to take over the source
code.

Pete,

Could you give an estimate of how much time it might take to keep
specimen functioning without adding any new features?

/me might be interested in maintaining it ...
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[Loki Davison]

Post by Eric Dantan Rzewnicki
Pete,
Could you give an estimate of how much time it might take to keep
specimen functioning without adding any new features?
/me might be interested in maintaining it ...

Somewhat related, who is going to be maintaining phat? I seem to be
one of the few people/projects that use it, so i will if you want.
Next project i'm working is using it too.

Loki

[Paul Winkler]

I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404

[Nigel Henry]

Post by Paul Winkler
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404

Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want it
I'll send it.
Nigel.

[Paul Winkler]

Post by Nigel Henry

Post by Paul Winkler
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404

Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want it
I'll send it.
Nigel.

Thanks, but it's not just me...
the recently-mentioned proaudio overlay for gentoo included
a specimen ebuild, which no longer works due to the 404 :-(

Anybody care to host the tarball?

[Jonny Stutters]

Post by Paul Winkler

Post by Nigel Henry

Post by Paul Winkler
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404

Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want it
I'll send it.
Nigel.

Thanks, but it's not just me...
the recently-mentioned proaudio overlay for gentoo included
a specimen ebuild, which no longer works due to the 404 :-(
Anybody care to host the tarball?

I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my
disk) to:
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz

I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.

[Paul Winkler]

Post by Jonny Stutters
I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.

Great!
I found a copy of 0.5.1 on my drive. Email me privately if you want it.

[Paul Winkler]

Post by Paul Winkler

Post by Jonny Stutters
I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.

Great!
I found a copy of 0.5.1 on my drive. Email me privately if you want it.

umm ... the download just worked for me ...

ummm ... where?
afaict it has been wiped off the face of gazuga.net.

That said, I agreed a while back to maintain the project after Pete
announced his own death and the accompanying death of specimen. While
Pete resurfaced as a zombie and promptly went over to the dark side, I
have not yet found time to resurrect specimen (mainly due to my job and
preparations for LAC06).
I fully intend to have a new home for specimen shortly after the
http://zhevny.com/specimen/files/
tarball, rpm and src rpm are there.
I will maintain this location as the home of specimen files, so
feel free to point the ebuilds there.

Wonderful, thanks!

[Eric Dantan Rzewnicki]

Post by Paul Winkler

Post by Jonny Stutters
I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.

Great!
I found a copy of 0.5.1 on my drive. Email me privately if you want it.

umm ... the download just worked for me ...





That said, I agreed a while back to maintain the project after Pete


announced his own death and the accompanying death of specimen. While


Pete resurfaced as a zombie and promptly went over to the dark side, I


have not yet found time to resurrect specimen (mainly due to my job and


preparations for LAC06).





I fully intend to have a new home for specimen shortly after the


conference. In the meantime, there is a copy of 0.5.1 available here:


http://zhevny.com/specimen/files/





tarball, rpm and src rpm are there.





I will maintain this location as the home of specimen files, so


feel free to point the ebuilds there.





My sincere apologies for not taking steps sooner.



-Eric Rz.

[Dana Olson]

Post by Paul Winkler

Post by Jonny Stutters
I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.

Great!
I found a copy of 0.5.1 on my drive. Email me privately if you want it.

umm ... the download just worked for me ...
That said, I agreed a while back to maintain the project after Pete
announced his own death and the accompanying death of specimen. While
Pete resurfaced as a zombie and promptly went over to the dark side, I
have not yet found time to resurrect specimen (mainly due to my job and
preparations for LAC06).
I fully intend to have a new home for specimen shortly after the
http://zhevny.com/specimen/files/
tarball, rpm and src rpm are there.
I will maintain this location as the home of specimen files, so
feel free to point the ebuilds there.
My sincere apologies for not taking steps sooner.
-Eric Rz.

Wouldn't it make sense to put this up at SourceForge or Savannah and
have any developers who wish to help maintain or improve it sign on to
the project? SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon, and everything is in place already.. Just a thought.

Dana

[Lee Revell]

Post by Dana Olson
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon

LOL

[Gene Heskett]

Post by Dana Olson
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon

LOL

I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.

[Dana Olson]

Post by Gene Heskett

Post by Dana Olson
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon

LOL

I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.

Hardeeharhar.

The point is, it has been reliable for thousands of projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.

I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.

[Lee Revell]

Post by Dana Olson
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a
whole, but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.

Hey, lighten up - we are making a joke at SF's expense not yours ;-)

Lee

[Dave Phillips]

Post by Dana Olson
The point is, it has been reliable for thousands of projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.

Sorry, Dana, I certainly wasn't ridiculing you. Unfortunately, your
suggestion came at a time when SF has been a beeyatch to work with over
the last month or so. See the Csound list, the Common Music list, and so
on. And this isn't the first time they've been a pain.

Apologies extended. The irony was in my face and I did not resist
temptation. I rarely do: I never know if it'll come again... ;)

Best,

dp

[Dana Olson]

Post by Dave Phillips

Post by Dana Olson
The point is, it has been reliable for thousands of projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.

Sorry, Dana, I certainly wasn't ridiculing you. Unfortunately, your
suggestion came at a time when SF has been a beeyatch to work with over
the last month or so. See the Csound list, the Common Music list, and so
on. And this isn't the first time they've been a pain.
Apologies extended. The irony was in my face and I did not resist
temptation. I rarely do: I never know if it'll come again... ;)
Best,
dp

Alright, understood...

SF has been reliable for me for many years. They're bound to run into
problems occasionally, and so it happened as you said.

For another example of where I think using SF would have benefitted us
as a community, have a look at LinuxSampler's homepage. Since December,
you have been unable to download source tarballs, because they
experience a hardware failure. This made packaging a PITA, especially
for someone as new to making .debs as I am, because whenever possible,
you are encouraged to use the source tarball releases, and not a CVS
checkout. But we had no choice.

In any case, ok, I understand where you guys are coming from.

[Loki Davison]

Post by Dana Olson

Post by Dave Phillips

Post by Dana Olson
The point is, it has been reliable for thousands of projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.

Sorry, Dana, I certainly wasn't ridiculing you. Unfortunately, your
suggestion came at a time when SF has been a beeyatch to work with over
the last month or so. See the Csound list, the Common Music list, and so
on. And this isn't the first time they've been a pain.
Apologies extended. The irony was in my face and I did not resist
temptation. I rarely do: I never know if it'll come again... ;)
Best,
dp

Alright, understood...
SF has been reliable for me for many years. They're bound to run into
problems occasionally, and so it happened as you said.
For another example of where I think using SF would have benefitted us
as a community, have a look at LinuxSampler's homepage. Since December,
you have been unable to download source tarballs, because they
experience a hardware failure. This made packaging a PITA, especially
for someone as new to making .debs as I am, because whenever possible,
you are encouraged to use the source tarball releases, and not a CVS
checkout. But we had no choice.
In any case, ok, I understand where you guys are coming from.

How about berlios, i know a large number of good projects hosted there..... ;)
Berlios is really nice though, no crappy ads and you don't have to use
crippled ancient CVS anymore! yay for svn. ;-) It's also pretty fast
and reliable.

Loki

[Eric Dantan Rzewnicki]

Post by Dana Olson

Post by Gene Heskett

Post by Dana Olson
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon

LOL

I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.

Hardeeharhar.
The point is, it has been reliable for thousands of projects, including
several of my own. Where is Specimen's page right now? Nowhere. If it
was on SourceForge, we'd all be able to get to it.
I was merely offering a suggestion to benefit the community as a whole,
but you all see fit to ridicule me. That's great, thanks.

I also want to say that I have no intention of casting aspersions in
your direction, Dana. I just, respectfully, disagree.

-ERic Rz.

[Eric Dantan Rzewnicki]

Post by Gene Heskett

Post by Dana Olson
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon

LOL

I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.

There are reasons jackaudio.org and ardour.org now exist. As I
understand it, sourceforge's persistent cvs access difficulties played
no small part in those moves.

I've never been comfortable with the "host everything here" mentality of
sourceforge. I'm sure they've done a great thing for the greater
FLOSSing community, but it's just not good, imho, for so many projects
to rely on one vendor's project hosting solution. Besides, I'm more
interested in using svn than cvs. Someone else suggested berlios.de, but
they put banner adds all over everything, and again, it's a "host
everything here" type of solution ... My gut tells me that independently
hosted projects, or smaller clusters of projects on smaller services
will be more scalable in the long term.

I'm a competent sysadmin. I think I can keep my own site up and running
well enough. For various reasons, I'll also be getting some sort of
offsite colocated box with (hopefully) better than DSL bandwidth in the
not too distant future.

As to other developer's efforts, I'm serving as "maintainer". Patches
will be gratefully accepted. If there prove to be other developers who
do actually make significant contributions I'll gladly open up svn
access to the dedicated.

All that said, I'm leaving for LAC2006 later today. Nothing more
specimen related will happen until after the conference.

-Eric Rz.

[Lars Luthman]

Post by Eric Dantan Rzewnicki
I've never been comfortable with the "host everything here" mentality of
sourceforge. I'm sure they've done a great thing for the greater
FLOSSing community, but it's just not good, imho, for so many projects
to rely on one vendor's project hosting solution. Besides, I'm more
interested in using svn than cvs. Someone else suggested berlios.de, but
they put banner adds all over everything, and again, it's a "host
everything here" type of solution ... My gut tells me that independently
hosted projects, or smaller clusters of projects on smaller services
will be more scalable in the long term.

Valid points (although "host everything here" sites are very
convenient). I'd just like to point out that SourceForge does offer SVN
now, you just have to enable it on the Admin page for your project.

[Paul Winkler]

Post by Eric Dantan Rzewnicki

Post by Gene Heskett

Post by Dana Olson
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon

LOL

I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.

There are reasons jackaudio.org and ardour.org now exist. As I
understand it, sourceforge's persistent cvs access difficulties played
no small part in those moves.

My experience with sourceforge leads me to tentatively conclude:

If you have a low-priority project that you work on intermittently,
with maybe a few other developers, and you don't want to bother with
setting up any infrastructure (i.e. public repositories and trackers),
it's very very useful. I'm involved with a couple of projects like
this.

If you live and breathe some particular project(s), you *will* get bit
by sourceforge service outages and the inability to really tweak the
infrastructure to your needs.

[Dave Robillard]

Post by Paul Winkler

Post by Eric Dantan Rzewnicki

Post by Gene Heskett

Post by Dana Olson
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon

LOL

I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.

There are reasons jackaudio.org and ardour.org now exist. As I
understand it, sourceforge's persistent cvs access difficulties played
no small part in those moves.

If you have a low-priority project that you work on intermittently,
with maybe a few other developers, and you don't want to bother with
setting up any infrastructure (i.e. public repositories and trackers),
it's very very useful. I'm involved with a couple of projects like
this.
If you live and breathe some particular project(s), you *will* get bit
by sourceforge service outages and the inability to really tweak the
infrastructure to your needs.

And the insanely long anonymous CVS lag.

-DR-

[Paul Winkler]

Post by Dave Robillard

Post by Paul Winkler

Post by Eric Dantan Rzewnicki

Post by Gene Heskett

Post by Dana Olson
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon

LOL

I wonder what Dana has been smoking? If I still smoked, I'd like to
sample that. I know of one project that left in the last month, mainly
because cvs only worked a few hours a week. Life's too short for that
BS.

There are reasons jackaudio.org and ardour.org now exist. As I
understand it, sourceforge's persistent cvs access difficulties played
no small part in those moves.

If you have a low-priority project that you work on intermittently,
with maybe a few other developers, and you don't want to bother with
setting up any infrastructure (i.e. public repositories and trackers),
it's very very useful. I'm involved with a couple of projects like
this.
If you live and breathe some particular project(s), you *will* get bit
by sourceforge service outages and the inability to really tweak the
infrastructure to your needs.

And the insanely long anonymous CVS lag.

Oh yeah, that one's really annoying.

Me: "It's fixed in CVS, update and try again"

User: "Nope, same problem happens"

Me: "might be the CVS lag... try again"
(repeat)

[Dave Phillips]

Post by Dana Olson
SourceForge is pretty reliable, and I don't see it going
down any time soon

LOL

++

[Marcos Guglielmetti]

 
http://zhevny.com/specimen/files/
 

And here

ftp://musix.ourproject.org/pub/musix/sources049/s/

[Nigel Henry]

Post by Jonny Stutters

Post by Paul Winkler

Post by Nigel Henry

Post by Paul Winkler
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404

Hi Paul. I'd downloaded the tar.gz while it was still there. If you want
it I'll send it.
Nigel.

Thanks, but it's not just me...
the recently-mentioned proaudio overlay for gentoo included
a specimen ebuild, which no longer works due to the 404 :-(
Anybody care to host the tarball?

I've uploaded a copy of specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz (the most recent on my
http://jeremah.co.uk/downloads/linux/specimen/specimen-0.4.5.tar.gz
I'm happy to host for the foreseeable future. If anyone's got a more
recent copy let me know and I'll get that up as well.

Hi Jonny. I've got 0.5.1 if you want it. Nigel.

[Chris Metzler]

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:57:14 -0400

Post by Paul Winkler
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404

Pete seems to have become fairly anti-Linux-ish at this point,
unfortunately. http://blog.gazuga.net/?p=93 I'm sorry his
lasting impression was so negative. FWIW, I liked using his
software.

-c

[Hartmut Noack]

Post by Chris Metzler
On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 09:57:14 -0400

Post by Paul Winkler
I can understand not wanting to maintain it any more,
but where'd the download go??
http://gazuga.net/files --> 404

The specimen-download ist still available:
http://gazuga.net/specimen

i have them downloaded and if the page at gazuga should be closed i will
host them here:
http://84.16.234.50/~zettberlin/law

i think, i will have a folder there to store abandoned free software
with some hope to revival...
Maybe called "orphanange" ;-)

Post by Chris Metzler
Pete seems to have become fairly anti-Linux-ish at this point,
unfortunately. http://blog.gazuga.net/?p=93 I'm sorry his
lasting impression was so negative. FWIW, I liked using his
software.
-c