[LAU] Is there a LAU music directory?

[h***@gmx.net]

Hi,

is there some way to find music made on Linux other than to go through
this mailinglist?
I found
https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/music_made_with_linux but
that seems to list only a fraction of what must be out there.

Regards,
Philipp

[David Kastrup]

Post by h***@gmx.net
Hi,
is there some way to find music made on Linux other than to go through
this mailinglist?
I found
https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/music_made_with_linux but
that seems to list only a fraction of what must be out there.

What does "made on Linux" even mean? If I record stuff with brand
microphones and a brand video camera on an acoustic instrument without
editing and/or EQ, where is the contribution of Linux? Synchronizing
video and audio by hand in a video editor that's available
cross-platform anyway?

I mean, the contribution of Linux to the end product is not there.
Putting up the name of the video editor would make more sense. "Music
produced on Hohner" or "music produced on Bechstein" would be more
related to the end product. And "music placed under CC$x" would be more
relevant for the freedom fanatic.

And for the music lover, "transcoded into crap by [insert video
platform]" is likely the most relevant category.

[Atte]

On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:45:41 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
What does "made on Linux" even mean?

Good point!

That's why I don't really post my music round here anymore.

Cheers

[david]

Post by Atte
On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:45:41 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
What does "made on Linux" even mean?

Good point!

Hmm, for me, "made on Linux" makes me expect anything but the usual
commercial music. I don't think we have many musicians on the list whose
obsession is to make the same music that's already on the Pop 40 lists. ;)

I think choosing to use Linux brings with it a different attitude, a
determined independence, that someone who chooses Windows or OS X might
not have. There might be more Linux users interested in making their own
music hardware, such as building things with an Arduino or Raspberry Pi.
There may also be more of an interest in the low-level parts of sound
making, vs a Windows musician who just listens through sample libraries
until they find a sample they want to use.

But I also think, "Does it really matter which brand of hammer or saw
was used to build this house?" It's the result that matters, right?

My brother-in-law's a contractor and carpenter. He has a truckful of
professional-calibre tools for his work. I have only a small toolbox and
a handsaw. While I certainly couldn't build a house the way he can, I
can learn from him how to make professional-looking bookshelves using
what I have.

I am interested in how people on the list get to the sounds they build,
because I like to learn how to make them, too. Even if their process
included something on Windows/Mac, I've always been more inclined
toward, "That's a great [sound|image] you came up with, how'd you do
it?" Then I try to figure out how to do it with the tools I have.

Post by Atte
That's why I don't really post my music round here anymore.

A bummer - but you have the links in your sig. And thanks for the
patches, too! :)

Post by Atte
Cheers

Rah rah sis boom bah! Pip pip hurrah! I don't know any Danish cheers, so
you'll just have to insert your own cheer to make it three cheers.

Happy music making, all!

[Christopher Arndt]

Post by david
Hmm, for me, "made on Linux" makes me expect anything but the usual
commercial music. I don't think we have many musicians on the list whose
obsession is to make the same music that's already on the Pop 40 lists. ;)

I think that's a rather bold assumption. To me, the reason for wanting
to use Linux as the base of the music production process, are completely
non-music related.


Chris

[david]

Post by Christopher Arndt

Post by david
Hmm, for me, "made on Linux" makes me expect anything but the
usual commercial music. I don't think we have many musicians on the
list whose obsession is to make the same music that's already on
the Pop 40 lists. ;)

I think that's a rather bold assumption.

I was just basing that on the kind of music that seems to get posted
here. Seems to mostly be synthesized instrumentals. Maybe it's just a
shortage of Pop 40 type singing voices?

Post by Christopher Arndt
To me, the reason for wanting to use Linux as the base of the music
production process, are completely non-music related.

I use Linux and Linux applications for all of my creative processes -
photography, art, music, fiction, poetry. I like the flexibility and the
freedom from budget constraints. I don't support software monopolies
like Microsoft and Adobe, and hate the Apple's "walled garden" and
"patent lawyers on speed dial" approach. I tolerate the walled garden on
my Android tablet because I like some of the free software on it
(Caustic, Ensemble Composer, ArtFlow, Simplemind Free) and there's no
Linux tablet OS.

How about you?

[Ralf Mardorf]

I tolerate the walled garden on my Android tablet because I like some
of the free software on it (Caustic, Ensemble Composer, ArtFlow,
Simplemind Free) and there's no Linux tablet OS.
How about you?

I'm using a Linux tower PC as well as an iPad. The music software for an
iPad isn't for free as in beer, but a lot of very good software and
sound libraries are always inexpensive, while other at least are
inexpensive during the Black Friday week. Export/import of MIDI and
audio files between the Linux tower PC and the iPad is no issue at all.

A minor issues of the iPad is the end of life for the iOS support and a
serious issue is that the power supply unit can't replace the battery,
so after a few hours of making music, it takes more than an hour to
load the battery.

I own several stand-alone synth and effects, but I replace most by
virtual synth and effects usually with synth and effects running on the
iPad. The Linux PC doesn't provide all required synth and effects.

Since I'm a guitarist, much important are the facilities of my electric
guitars. For example, when using modeling while listening by
headphones instead of using a real amp, what ever modeling should be
used, either provided by Linux, the iPad or by a GR-55, it makes a
difference what guitar I'm using, not just regarding the unique sound
of the guitar, but especially of a feature that completes what ever
modeling is used. One of my electric guitars has got a Sustainiac.

Btw. both of my electric guitars have got a hex PU. The hex PU is not
only important when using the GR-55 as a MIDI instrument, it improves
modeling a lot.

Depending on the music, some parts of the music could be done by using
internal instruments and effects, without even using a MIDI instrument
to record MIDI events. However, at some point a musician needs at
least a MIDI instrument. It could make a big difference if we are
playing good weighted keys, real guitar strings and a good guitar neck,
etc. or if we are just using an elCheapo
keyboard-guitar-sax-whatsoever-fake-MIDI-thingy. This could be much
more important, than the used operating system.

All the times there were and still are "sound tinkerers" who do not need
a "classical instrument" and sometimes those "sound tinkerers" make
really good music, but most of the times they are just bungler.

A studio in the box with an orchestra in the box is something nice to
have, but apart from so called "sound tinkerers" the used operating
system is more or less irrelevant.

A Fender Stratocaster alike guitar does sound different to a Gibson Les
Paul alike guitar and due to e.g. a different length of the scale it
feels different to play those guitars. A recording of one of those
guitars, should sound all the same, what ever operating system we are
using and it also should be in the same way comfortable to record and
edit, independent of the used operating system.

[David W. Jones]

Post by david

Post by Christopher Arndt

Post by david
Hmm, for me, "made on Linux" makes me expect anything but the
usual commercial music. I don't think we have many musicians on

the

Post by david

Post by Christopher Arndt

Post by david
list whose obsession is to make the same music that's already on
the Pop 40 lists. ;)

I think that's a rather bold assumption.

I was just basing that on the kind of music that seems to get posted
here. Seems to mostly be synthesized instrumentals. Maybe it's just

a

Post by david
shortage of Pop 40 type singing voices?

What does the 40 in Pop 40 mean?

Pure popularity. The 40 most popular songs in USA at a particular point in time.

Post by david

Post by Christopher Arndt
To me, the reason for wanting to use Linux as the base of the music
production process, are completely non-music related.

I use Linux and Linux applications for all of my creative processes

-

Post by david
photography, art, music, fiction, poetry. I like the flexibility and
the freedom from budget constraints. I don't support software
monopolies like Microsoft and Adobe, and hate the Apple's "walled
garden" and "patent lawyers on speed dial" approach. I tolerate the
walled garden on my Android tablet because I like some of the free
software on it (Caustic, Ensemble Composer, ArtFlow, Simplemind

Free)

Post by david
and there's no Linux tablet OS.
How about you?

Mental laziness. Same reason I am a vegetarian. Saves me from a
loads
of worries and uncomfortable decisions and anguish and bad taste in
mouth that I am better without. Of course it has helped that market
leader Microsoft has produced utter crap first with their operating
systems and then with their licenses.

Hmm, I think horrible licenses predate Microsoft. Anyone remember mainframe software licenses from IBM, Data General and their ilk?

Intel has managed to survive in that quagmire by creating the i386
32bit
architecture and from that fortress in the Microsoft swamp progressing
to kill the 68000 architecture, Alpha, SPARC because porting Windows
would be akin to transplanting Keith Richard's liver: you cannot
imagine
it surviving outside of its niche because it's magic already that it
survived inside of its niche.

68000 died because Motorola didn't keep up with Intel's performance. And Apple's choice to run everything through their 68000 chip meant that an 8Mhz Amiga (with graphic and sound coprocessors) could run rings around a 25Mhz Mac. (Used to use both those systems.)

Intel's performance also eclipsed Alpha, eventually.

Don't know SPARC. I think they lost out because Intel chips were either as fast or faster, and SPARC chips were expensive. Never met a SPARC workstation that ran Windows, or was being used by someone who even wanted to run Windows. ;)

PowerPC is still around, right?

Can today's GPUs run Linux? That might threaten Intel at the performance end. Even my cheap little tablet has 64 GPU cores.

My experience with 2 ARM-powered tablets is they're no performance threat.

--
David W. Jones
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[jonetsu]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 19:59:47 -1000

Post by david
I was just basing that on the kind of music that seems to get posted
here. Seems to mostly be synthesized instrumentals. Maybe it's just a
shortage of Pop 40 type singing voices?

I post music here. I use synths, acoustic guitar, acoustic bass
guitar. I do not have a piano, so I guess that if I use pianoteq with
a piano sound it falls into 'synthesized instrumentals'.

I would like it very much if you would help me to put Pop 40 voices on:

https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/tlucco

Thanks in advance, cheers.

[Chris Caudle]

Post by jonetsu
https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/tlucco

Did anyone else find suitable lyrics for this? I could not. Would not even
have to be "pop," the music reminds me more of so-called alternative bands
from late 80's and 90's, maybe Depeche Mode or Marilyn Manson.

[jonetsu]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 10:57:41 -0500

Post by Chris Caudle

Post by jonetsu
https://soundcloud.com/nominal6/tlucco

Did anyone else find suitable lyrics for this? I could not. Would not
even have to be "pop," the music reminds me more of so-called
alternative bands from late 80's and 90's, maybe Depeche Mode or
Marilyn Manson.

Thanks for the well-known references, if it's ironic of course :)

I do not know much MM although DM I know quite well. IMHO, Tlucco only
fits remotely in there.

Cheers.

[Chris Caudle]

Post by jonetsu
Thanks for the well-known references, if it's ironic of course :)
IMHO, Tlucco only fits remotely in there.

That is the problem and also the advantage of "pop" style music, even if
it is not completely mainstream. The problem is that if a composition
does not fit very closely with an existing example, words are not very
good for creating associations. Also the advantage of pop music is that
you can modify a few elements, but still give the listener some reference
point, it can sound new but really just be a variant of an existing style,
far enough removed that it is not classified the same, but still close
enough that the listener is not completely baffled.
You could change rhythms, instrumental timbre, even enrich harmonic
language a little bit. You could not likely get away with 12-tone serial
composition even with a nice dance beat.

So no, I did not mean that Tlucco fits exactly with either of those two
bands I referenced, but just to indicate that finding lyrics of "true" pop
style like might be found in songs performed by Ariana Grande, Taylor
Swift, Alessia Cara (just to pick a few names from the Billboard Hot 100
list this week) would not necessarily fit, but maybe darker or more
introspective lyrics that lean more in the direction of those bands could
fit the feel of the music.

[jonetsu]

On Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:00:15 -0500

Post by Chris Caudle
So no, I did not mean that Tlucco fits exactly with either of those
two bands I referenced, but just to indicate that finding lyrics of
"true" pop style like might be found in songs performed by Ariana
Grande, Taylor Swift, Alessia Cara (just to pick a few names from the
Billboard Hot 100 list this week) would not necessarily fit, but
maybe darker or more introspective lyrics that lean more in the
direction of those bands could fit the feel of the music.

Oh I see. Well yes, of course. Properly 'twisted' so to speak and
with a singer that believes in it, it could give the piece a more
approachable, while still retaining the quite dark hypnotic mood,
edge. But then it would become highly focused and as such would very
probably call for a whole album in the same genre. Eg. what is called
'branding', so that people know what to expect from the start. And
that, I'm really not sure about it. If only as a hobby, just to push
it a bit further, I would have to move towards some kind of a
'branding', have somewhat of a common feel between pieces and such.
'Package' it. Now to mention adjusting the mixes and the arrangements
of selected pieces. Ah well...

[jonetsu]

On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:45:41 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
What does "made on Linux" even mean? If I record stuff with brand
microphones and a brand video camera on an acoustic instrument without
editing and/or EQ, where is the contribution of Linux?

Is Linux such a demanding system that you have to contribute to it ?
Is the definition of 'user' updated in this context to mean someone
that contributes ? Simple users of the OS are banned ?

Cheers.

[David Kastrup]

Post by Atte
On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:45:41 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
What does "made on Linux" even mean? If I record stuff with brand
microphones and a brand video camera on an acoustic instrument without
editing and/or EQ, where is the contribution of Linux?

Is Linux such a demanding system that you have to contribute to it ?
Is the definition of 'user' updated in this context to mean someone
that contributes ? Simple users of the OS are banned ?

"contribution of Linux", not "contribution to Linux". In the attempt to
find some hook for a sarcastic remark, looking at the headers delivered

X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized.

Should music rather aim for recognizable genre or recognizable OS
details? And how does this differ from mail servers?

[jonetsu]

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:40:28 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
"contribution of Linux", not "contribution to Linux". In the attempt
to find some hook for a sarcastic remark, looking at the headers
delivered

Well then (my mistake) the contribution OF Linux is easy to define: it
powers up everything, renders active and oversees every component that
are used in making music, from the hardware interface through the audio
subsystem and in many cases although certainly not exclusively with
software that's made to run on Linux only.

Without Linux this would not happen as it is. One can drive another
brand of car to get somewhere but then, it's not THAT car anymore but
another. Do Linux audio creators have to use exclusive Linux
tools ?

[David Kastrup]

Post by jonetsu
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:40:28 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
"contribution of Linux", not "contribution to Linux". In the attempt
to find some hook for a sarcastic remark, looking at the headers
delivered

Well then (my mistake) the contribution OF Linux is easy to define: it
powers up everything, renders active and oversees every component that
are used in making music, from the hardware interface through the audio
subsystem and in many cases although certainly not exclusively with
software that's made to run on Linux only.

Last time I looked, someone needed to sing and play an instrument, too.

[jonetsu]

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:01:31 +0200

Post by David Kastrup

Post by jonetsu
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:40:28 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
"contribution of Linux", not "contribution to Linux". In the
attempt to find some hook for a sarcastic remark, looking at the
headers delivered

it powers up everything, renders active and oversees every
component that are used in making music, from the hardware
interface through the audio subsystem and in many cases although
certainly not exclusively with software that's made to run on Linux
only.

Last time I looked, someone needed to sing and play an instrument, too.

I am very sorry, I do not get the meaning of your reply.

[David Kastrup]

Post by jonetsu
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:01:31 +0200

Post by David Kastrup

Post by jonetsu
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 15:40:28 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
"contribution of Linux", not "contribution to Linux". In the
attempt to find some hook for a sarcastic remark, looking at the
headers delivered

it powers up everything, renders active and oversees every
component that are used in making music, from the hardware
interface through the audio subsystem and in many cases although
certainly not exclusively with software that's made to run on Linux
only.

Last time I looked, someone needed to sing and play an instrument, too.

I am very sorry, I do not get the meaning of your reply.

Linux does not power up everything, renders active and oversees every
component that is used in making music for me. I power my instruments
and my voice using calories acquired in food stores. I don't call my
music "vegetarian" music even though this can be considered a facet of
how I choose to derive the mechanical power needed for running those
instruments. But it does not really find a reflection in the music I
actually produce. I mean sure, I don't spit blood and bones on the
microphone but few people do that, and few people sing in front of a
blue screen.

[Francesco Ariis]

Post by David Kastrup
Linux does not power up everything, renders active and oversees every
component that is used in making music for me. I power my instruments
and my voice using calories acquired in food stores. I don't call my
music "vegetarian" music even though this can be considered a facet of
how I choose to derive the mechanical power needed for running those
instruments. But it does not really find a reflection in the music I
actually produce. I mean sure, I don't spit blood and bones on the
microphone but few people do that, and few people sing in front of a
blue screen.

This thread gives fuel to the maladapted GNU/Linux user stereotype.

Come on, Philipp asked a question on how to find a specific subset of
music (from the wiki link "at this page you can find music made with
Linux and information about musicians who use Linux for their
music composing and production."), it pains me to see the obsessive
length we're *not* to answer this question.
I suggest we try to be more considerate before $listmaster forces us
to do so.

Philipp,
regarding your question, usually communities are built around
*tools*, so search for well known open source music software and dive
in, e.g.:

https://lmms.io/competitions/
http://abcnotation.com/browseTunes

Good luck with your hunt!
-F

[jonetsu]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 16:52:12 +0200

Post by Francesco Ariis
Philipp,
regarding your question, usually communities are built around
*tools*, so search for well known open source music software and dive

I consider that Will's reply about the 'Linux Musicians' website and
specifically about the 'Original Scores & Recordings' section is a good
place.

Which this long-winded (after all this is Linux :)) link seems to point
directly at:

https://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=f1847036dd2cd4272155705ba9c56621

This is not tools oriented. It is general. It's actually the only
place I know of that groups original creations done by people who
are using Linux. If you know of any other, please share.

LMMS runs on Linux, Windows and MacOS, so the creations are not be
people necessarily using Linux and, people might simply not mention
their OS anyways.

BTW, what's this abcnotation has to do within the Linux context ?

[jonetsu]

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 16:22:29 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
Linux does not power up everything, renders active and oversees every
component that is used in making music for me. I power my instruments
and my voice using calories acquired in food stores. I don't call my
music "vegetarian" music even though this can be considered a facet of
how I choose to derive the mechanical power needed for running those
instruments. But it does not really find a reflection in the music I
actually produce. I mean sure, I don't spit blood and bones on the
microphone but few people do that, and few people sing in front of a
blue screen.

This is getting pretty much out of the context. If you go that way
then, is your creative production reflecting the glorious creation of
God or is it just based on human low level emotions and passion and
thus contributing to enslave humans more deeply into the material
world (while being proud and unashamed at doing it) ?

Instead, this thread is about Linux-made music, so let's keep it to
that. This said, I do not mind the tangent for discussion purposes,
but this thread is not about that.

[David Kastrup]

Post by jonetsu
Instead, this thread is about Linux-made music, so let's keep it to
that. This said, I do not mind the tangent for discussion purposes,
but this thread is not about that.

In order to keep it to that, what is "Linux-made"? Is it

"At (all?) relevant stages of composing, creating, recording, editing
and producing where a general-purpose operating system was utilized to a
significant degree, it was running on a Linux kernel"? That would
include Android: should this be more confined by "and a GNU userland"?

A dependable definition would go a far way towards keeping the thread
constrained to Linux-made music.

[jonetsu]

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 17:32:35 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
In order to keep it to that, what is "Linux-made"? Is it
"At (all?) relevant stages of composing, creating, recording, editing
and producing where a general-purpose operating system was utilized
to a significant degree, it was running on a Linux kernel"? That
would include Android: should this be more confined by "and a GNU
userland"?
A dependable definition would go a far way towards keeping the thread
constrained to Linux-made music.

Made (created) in such a way that Linux is the operating system used
for all the software components involved in the process to run.

Then, people might ask, why make it a point ? People are not saying
"made with Windows" after all. It is then that what makes Linux
different comes through and it is why the point is made. One of those
differences is that Linux is an Open and free operating system with no
hidden software parts basically. It is not a proprietary OS owned by a
company. That point only makes a large difference as a statement, as a
choice, perhaps even as a political statement.

That synths being used, DAWs, etc.. are full-fledged commercial
products does not matter. By choosing Linux a (creative) statement is
made.

[David Kastrup]

Post by jonetsu
On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 17:32:35 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
In order to keep it to that, what is "Linux-made"? Is it
"At (all?) relevant stages of composing, creating, recording, editing
and producing where a general-purpose operating system was utilized
to a significant degree, it was running on a Linux kernel"? That
would include Android: should this be more confined by "and a GNU
userland"?
A dependable definition would go a far way towards keeping the thread
constrained to Linux-made music.

Made (created) in such a way that Linux is the operating system used
for all the software components involved in the process to run.

Considering how hard the task of finding a computer without "proprietary
blobs" is even for people like Stallman even when looking only at
rewritable storage, that would likely rule out almost all productions.
Things like disk controllers and USB hubs and keyboard controllers all
run their little software components and operating systems.

There is a reason I put "general-purpose operating system" in my
specification.

Post by jonetsu
Then, people might ask, why make it a point ? People are not saying
"made with Windows" after all. It is then that what makes Linux
different comes through and it is why the point is made. One of those
differences is that Linux is an Open and free operating system with no
hidden software parts basically. It is not a proprietary OS owned by
a company. That point only makes a large difference as a statement,
as a choice, perhaps even as a political statement.

So if I use, say, a Solton MS-40 (a device released in 1994 or so, so
not actually predating Linux as such but at least its usefulness for
such a device) for my arranger or even Midi expander tasks but use Linux
for my DAW purposes, the music is not Linux-made. Even when I don't use
the arranger but just the Midi expander?

Using an acoustic accordion allows me to stay "Linux-made" while
connecting the same accordion with a Midi interface (that has its own
firmware in EPROM, no less) to my Linux computer then precludes
"Linux-made"?

And if I only use acoustic instruments but record using a DAW on Linux,
the result is "Linux-made" as long as I don't use a soundcard with its
own firmware?

Post by jonetsu
That synths being used, DAWs, etc.. are full-fledged commercial
products does not matter.

What happened to "Linux is the operating system used for all the
software components involved in the process to run."? I may just not
understand what "involved in the process to run" means here.

Post by jonetsu
By choosing Linux a (creative) statement is made.

So far I have no clear picture of what "choosing Linux" means _outside_
of just making this as a (creative) statement.

[jonetsu]

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 21:36:52 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
Considering how hard the task of finding a computer without
"proprietary blobs"

This is why is used 'basically', quoted below. I thought about it and
decided I did not want to go the lawyer way, with clauses and
disclaimers and all that.

Post by David Kastrup

Post by jonetsu
Then, people might ask, why make it a point ? People are not saying
"made with Windows" after all. It is then that what makes Linux
different comes through and it is why the point is made. One of
those differences is that Linux is an Open and free operating
system with no hidden software parts basically. It is not a
proprietary OS owned by a company. That point only makes a large
difference as a statement, as a choice, perhaps even as a political
statement.

So if I use, say, a Solton MS-40 (a device released in 1994 or so, so
not actually predating Linux as such but at least its usefulness for
such a device) for my arranger or even Midi expander tasks but use
Linux for my DAW purposes, the music is not Linux-made. Even when I
don't use the arranger but just the Midi expander?
Using an acoustic accordion allows me to stay "Linux-made" while
connecting the same accordion with a Midi interface (that has its own
firmware in EPROM, no less) to my Linux computer then precludes
"Linux-made"?
And if I only use acoustic instruments but record using a DAW on
Linux, the result is "Linux-made" as long as I don't use a soundcard
with its own firmware?

OK ok ok. I have an idea. Let's make music instead. How does it
sound ? :)

Cheers.

[Paul Davis]

​Last time I looked, someone needed to sing and play an instrument, too.

​So 2000's. No need for either of these skills any more. ​Especially not
for instrumental electronic music.


​

[David Kastrup]

​Last time I looked, someone needed to sing and play an instrument, too.

​So 2000's. No need for either of these skills any more. ​Especially not
for instrumental electronic music.

You still need someone to pretend having anything to do with the music.
Just ask Frank Farian (who created, among others, "Boney M" and "Milli
Vanilli" for that pretense and was far more successful with those acts
than when he experimentally tried giving concerts himself and with the
kind of musicians actually on the tracks he sold).

"Lipsynched using Linux" -- I think I need to show myself out now.

[Len Ovens]

Post by jonetsu
Without Linux this would not happen as it is. One can drive another
brand of car to get somewhere but then, it's not THAT car anymore but
another. Do Linux audio creators have to use exclusive Linux
tools ?

As happens, my car runs on Linux too. I was browsing the (long) list of
licences...

From another POV, can anyone make music without Linux if they are using
any modern "hardware" synths or effects?

--
Len Ovens
www.ovenwerks.net

[David Kastrup]

Post by Len Ovens

Post by jonetsu
Without Linux this would not happen as it is. One can drive another
brand of car to get somewhere but then, it's not THAT car anymore but
another. Do Linux audio creators have to use exclusive Linux
tools ?

As happens, my car runs on Linux too. I was browsing the (long) list
of licences...
From another POV, can anyone make music without Linux if they are
using any modern "hardware" synths or effects?

Well, there is a reason I was using "general purpose operating system"
in my proposed definition. But by far most of my instruments predate
Linux, particularly as an OS attractive for embedded systems (more due
to the development of the average size of memory for embedded systems
than any inherent merit of Linux itself I guess). Personally, I'd
rather like to be in possession of the blueprints to my 1960 accordion,
but I suppose that would be more in the GNU than the Linux spirit.

[robertlazarski]

Post by Atte
On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:45:41 +0200

Post by David Kastrup
What does "made on Linux" even mean? If I record stuff with brand
microphones and a brand video camera on an acoustic instrument without
editing and/or EQ, where is the contribution of Linux?

Is Linux such a demanding system that you have to contribute to it ?
Is the definition of 'user' updated in this context to mean someone
that contributes ? Simple users of the OS are banned ?

I also thought about that as all my synths, mixers, EQ and compressors are
analog hardware . I avoid DAW's via Zoom recorders since I am on Linux
computers too much already for my day job.

I may be a snowflake though as most of the users I see on forums use DAW's
and plugins for soft synths, mixing, mastering etc.

Since you mentioned video though ... AFAIK its not practical to edit on
hardware these days. I have not used another OS besides Linux in any
capacity since the 90's so I use what's available. TBH I am struggling a
bit even in the forums and may install CentOS for Davinci Resolve but that
is another story. Still, Linux is a big part of that process as I also bash
script video processing with ffmpeg. Definitely feels "made on Linux" to me
ymmv.

Post by Atte
Cheers.
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[Will Godfrey]

Hmm,

Wanting to make music is just part of my nature.
Using Linux is a philosphical decision.
Getting involved in development is another philosphical decision.

Fortunately for me, all three are things I enjoy, present interesting
challenges, and mesh rather well :)

[Tim]

Post by David Kastrup

Post by h***@gmx.net
Hi,
is there some way to find music made on Linux other than to go through
this mailinglist?
I found
https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/music_made_with_linux but
that seems to list only a fraction of what must be out there.

What does "made on Linux" even mean? If I record stuff with brand
microphones and a brand video camera on an acoustic instrument without
editing and/or EQ, where is the contribution of Linux? Synchronizing
video and audio by hand in a video editor that's available
cross-platform anyway?
I mean, the contribution of Linux to the end product is not there.
Putting up the name of the video editor would make more sense. "Music
produced on Hohner" or "music produced on Bechstein" would be more
related to the end product. And "music placed under CC$x" would be more
relevant for the freedom fanatic.
And for the music lover, "transcoded into crap by [insert video
platform]" is likely the most relevant category.

Hm, I would rephrase that "made *with* Linux".
If Linux is involved in any part of the production,
then it's made with Linux.
Even if it's just to use one audio plugin, or a transcoder,
or a resampler or something, it's still made with Linux, right?

I managed to make two complete CDs using nothing but MusE
(of course) and LADSPA plugins, even for the guitar distortion -
the most important part of the chain, without my pro-effects unit.
That would be "made *on* Linux" for sure, eh?

Cheers.
Tim.
The MusE team.

[Dominique Michel]

Le Fri, 1 Jun 2018 19:27:20 -0400,

Post by Tim

Post by David Kastrup
I mean, the contribution of Linux to the end product is not there.
Putting up the name of the video editor would make more sense.
"Music produced on Hohner" or "music produced on Bechstein" would
be more related to the end product. And "music placed under CC$x"
would be more relevant for the freedom fanatic.
And for the music lover, "transcoded into crap by [insert video
platform]" is likely the most relevant category.

Hm, I would rephrase that "made *with* Linux".
If Linux is involved in any part of the production,
then it's made with Linux.
Even if it's just to use one audio plugin, or a transcoder,
or a resampler or something, it's still made with Linux, right?

For me, I would say the most important part of making music is
playing some musical instrument and the lyrics I will sing on
it. It is also the funniest part.

The work to arrange the audio with ardour and eventually the video with
cinelerra is quite boring and time consuming (especially when making a
video). That imply I just don't understand how people can be happy
making electronic music (just joking here because it is a lot of
electronic music I like). For me making music is like making love, it
is so much more fun when I can put my hands on than when its virtual.

So so. In my case I would say made with a Framus classical guitar,
cuban maracas and my voice, recorded with a Zomm H4 and arranged with
Ardour on a GNU/linux laptop, but certainly not made with linux.

Cheers,
Dominique

--
If you have a problem and you are not doing anything to fix it, you are
at the heart of the problem.

[Will Godfrey]

On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:23:58 +0200

Post by h***@gmx.net
Hi,
is there some way to find music made on Linux other than to go through
this mailinglist?
I found
https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/music_made_with_linux but
that seems to list only a fraction of what must be out there.
Regards,
Philipp
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Try here for starters.

https://linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=b1402f1115bd21b47ccedaca3c036f2e

Then again some of us are sufficiently old-fashioned as to maintain our own
websites :)

[h***@gmx.net]

On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:19:51 +0100

Post by Will Godfrey
On Fri, 25 May 2018 10:23:58 +0200
[...]
Try here for starters.
https://linuxmusicians.com/viewforum.php?f=9&sid=b1402f1115bd21b47ccedaca3c036f2e
Then again some of us are sufficiently old-fashioned as to maintain
our own websites :)

Thanks Will :]